Dear Mr. Online Poker Is Rigged

Idiot for a Day

On several previous occasions I have discussed the flaws in the arguments of those who claim that online poker is rigged. Just to demonstrate the absurdity of some of these arguments, I’ve selected a juicy one from the old comments bag.

Joe comments:

Well this argument about online honesty is a joke,I have been dealing for 20 years and playing for about 35 years and I can tell you positively it is a set up.There is nothing the same between online and live poker.They are as differint as night and day.I have tried all the top sites and there all the same.Rigged is to put it lightly..

Of course, Joe seems to have missed what I said in the post he is responding to:

No matter how low the limits the person is playing they will always claim to be a near expert in the game with at least a decade of experience playing live games.

As someone who has played both live and online I will admit there are differences but they are not in the game itself. The differences mostly apply to how people play online in anonymity vs. how they play when they might have to show their crappy cards to the entire table.

Of course, like all online poker is rigged arguments, we must all rely on your 20 years of dealing experience and 35 years of playing as defacto proof of everything else you claim. No evidence. No specific examples that can be refuted. You’re a dealer. You said it’s rigged. Ergo, online poker must be rigged.

You people who dont believe it are either liars,site employees,or fools who dont have enough time in live games to know the differince.I wouldnt even bother to go into bad beat stories, I dont type fast enough.Bill

I’m pretty sure they have bad beat stories in live casinos too.

you always use prove it to debate anything,thats an easy way out.I say to you prove that it isnt..

You can’t prove a negative. It’s impossible. Prove that you’re not a space alien from the planet Zzyyxx. For every piece of proof showing that you’re a human I can hand waive it off saying that it’s forged. That’s why you need to prove it’s rigged. You’ve made an accusation and the burden of proof lies with you to present some evidence. I mean, we can go back and forth on whether a large enough sample size is 30,000 hands or 100,000 hands but the results won’t lie. That’s why the burden of proof is on your shoulders. I can show you tens and hundreds of thousands of hands that show no statistical anomalies. You just have your claims.

Now, it should be very easy to prove that online poker is rigged if it is indeed rigged. That’s the comedy. Since you can’t prove it’s rigged, you’ve switched around to placing the burden on me. Sorry. It doesn’t work that way.

Besides, I’ve written pages upon pages demonstrating things that would indicate that online poker is not rigged. You simply claim that online poker is rigged. That is the easy way out. I’ve selected the difficult tasks of defending a position which can’t be proved (can’t prove a negative). All you have to do is present evidence to the contrary.

Dont you people get it,the fact that hundreds of thousands of people feel they are being cheated proves it alone.

Yes, with logic like that, how can one argue? You do know that at one time hundreds of thousands of people thought the world was flat, don’t you? You realize that just because a lot of people believe something, it doesn’t necessarily make it true, don’t you?

I have been in las vegas for years at a time and I have never heard anybody say they are getting cheated in the casinos,other than your occasional nut. you never here it about atlantic city,mississippi,monte carlo,etc,etc,ect.Why is that bill?

You’re going to sit there and tell me that other than an occasional oddball nut, nobody has ever claimed a Las Vegas game was rigged? How many dealers have been verbally abused by players who think the dealer is purposely dealing them bad cards? How many dealers have been physically abused by players claiming the dealer is somehow influencing what cards they get?

Because the only place people are getting cheated is on the online poker rooms.Bill we have bad beat jackpots that go on for months sometimes before there hit.Online you see that type of beat every couple of hours just at the table you at..

You do realize that even the most lowly online poker rooms deals far more hands per hour than even the largest live card room, don’t you? You also realize that when you deal more hands that the (elapsed) time between low probability events decreases, don’t you?

this view is not coming from a player who lost and is mad..I have taken 2000 dollars off party poker and deposited 1900 back to them in 100 and 200 dollar deposits..The reason I quit is I came to realize that my winning or losing had nothing to do wiht my playing so it was no fun.

Of course, it had nothing to do with your playing. Why is it that the more educated and knowledgeable people are at poker, the more they win over the long run? Poker isn’t about having fun. It’s about playing the odds and over large samples, coming out ahead by making correct decisions. Fun is what roulette players play for. Poker players play for the money.

They have to let everyone take turns winning or the good players would have all the bad players money and the site would lose big time.Dont you people get it,if the bad players dont win the will go and thats it.

Uh, isn’t that how poker works in live games too? Isn’t that one of the fundamental concepts that makes poker such a great game? Fish can win on any given night or on any given hand. If the fish couldn’t win from time to time they would all go away and not just online poker but live poker games would dry up overnight. For you not to realize this with your 35 years of playing expierience speaks more about you than it does about the fairness of any online poker game.

aces on every other flop,all in winning %,s wat to high,flush draws on flops way to much,pocket aces,vs.poket kings way to much.Play high/lo and see all the low cards in everyones hands all the time.It goes on and on.

Aha. See, show me that proof. Show me the hand histories. Show me the Poker Tracker results. Show me anything! That’s how you prove online poker is rigged.

Please dont be so stupid people,millions of people are not screaming wolf because they lost a few dollars.

A few paragraphs ago (actually, you couldn’t bother yourself with a return key so the concept of paragraphs has to be assumed from the breaks in your line of thinking) you said it was hundreds of thousands and now you say it’s millions. You’re losing credibility by the second.

we had a customer come in our casino about a month aga and screamed he was being cheated because he was down 7ooo dollars..he said all the cards were not there..The gaming board came down to the casino floor right away and stopped the game and the dealed had to seperate all 6 decks and spread them out in front of the player and everybody else to show all the cards were there.The customer then said he was sorry to everyone and the game went on..

Didn’t you just get done saying that nobody has ever claimed that live poker is rigged?

All these sites are aware of the bad press they get so if they were honest they would have proven it a long time ago themselves.

See my statements about being unable to prove a negative.

The fact that online pokersites havent stepped up themslves to prove everyone wrong says it all..they havent stepped up because they cant..

Yes, because proving a negative is impossible. Prove to me that you’re not a cop.

if it looks like a cheat,and smells like a cheat,and sounds like a cheat,guess what people.they are all cheats.

If it looks like an illogical argument, smells like an illogical argument and sounds like an illogical argument …

they dont want just the rake they want everything..There has never been any unregulated buisness that has been honest in the history of the world and you want me to believe the first one is a online poker site out of the country!!!

No, nobody is asking you to believe anything. You obviously have made up your mind to believe what you want to believe and nothing you have said here leads me to believe that what I wrote about the motivations for players to think online poker is rigged has changed one bit. In fact, you strengthen my conviction in my previous statements.

please Bill I dare you to post this one and see what reaction you get.I probably wont see it posted if I guess right..Who do you work for bill? partypoker or UB

I have no problem posting your comments. I think they do your argument more harm than good.

BTW I work for neither of those two specific sites but if you search around you can find which one I do work for. I don’t make any secret of it.

joe